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From: eric
Date: Wed Feb 6 12:01:47 EST 2008 Subject: Watch and Discuss

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bentley81: testing (2/7/08)
bentley81: the real Mccoy (2/7/08)
russ: Wish I could talk to somebody else about these issues (2/8/08)
emily: what happened? (2/8/08)
Karen: Well.... (2/13/08)
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Karen: Well.... (2/13/08)
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russ: Wish I could talk to somebody else about these issues (2/8/08)
bentley81: the real Mccoy (2/7/08)
bentley81: testing (2/7/08)
I'd love to get your guys thoughts on this video

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From: bentley81
Date: Wed Feb 6 22:24:16 EST 2008 Subject: the real Mccoy

Where are we?

How does context determine interaction?

In particular, how has our movement out of densely packed cities, towards a poor imitation of country life changed the way our culture functions? How can we reverse the trends?

Single family homes, suburban sprawl, division, isolation. The death of public space. The "Greatest misallocation of resources in History" An asteroid belt of architectural garbage. a cartoon, a place that "induces anxiety and depression in children" places not worth caring about, a nation not worth defending, a nature bandaid slapped on bad buildings, DVD player construction, a place where "skippy is loading his uzi in the basement getting ready for homeroom and his sister is turning tricks upstairs to pay for her drug habit."

As I hope this list indicates, I think the speaker begins with a sound premise: the suburbanization of American life has had negative effects on the ways we interact, and at some level threatens the rend the fabric of our society. I think however that he does however overshoot the mark. Blaming suburban sprawl for school shootings and prostitution is a bit of a stretch. His argument is one of condescension. I couldn't get over the feeling that he was insulting me.

Ok that's enough. I agree with much of what he said.

Our culture is becoming one of isolation, of separation, of dislocation. Place is central to who we are and the places we choose to inhabit help to define us. And I think that we have chosen poorly in the public spaces we have built in the last fifty years. Shopping malls are not places you go to meet people after middle school. Strip malls are even worse. I've been to Boston and that square he showed is as bad as he said it was. The city spent a lot of good money building a place that nobody wants to be. I think this is why Starbuck's has been such a hit. Howard Schultz saw a need in our society and exploited it to make a lot of money. Coffee shops are in a sense the new downtown block and front porch rolled into one.

So what can be done to reverse this trend. Build more public spaces that "people will go to simply because it is pleasurable to be there?" yes. Create outdoor rooms with "permeable membranes" that feed foot traffic onto the street? yes. invest in quality urban planning? yes. Design and assemble human habitats to serve a specific purpose while keeping mind that they are living organisms? yes I think one additional thing is moving toward the center of the city. Living in places that foster public space and relational living. Choosing to move towards the center rather than away from it.

The village has taught me that as Christians we have a responsibility to engage the culture. We should actively pursue relationship building as a fundamental life practice. That can mean a lot of different things, but I think that as much as we are able we should try to inhabit places that build healthy public life. When such places are absent we make them. In reality, there aren't a lot of public places near me to frequent. I would love to live on a downtown street like the one he showed. Unfortunately I can't.

So here is what I try to do.
My home is not an island. My home may be a refuge, but it is also a place of relational engagement. A place I encourage people to inhabit with me. And I want people to come into my home, and engage me because it is pleasurable for them to do so.

I spend lunch in the student lounge. You might think this would common. But really only a handful of us can be found there on any given day. It is a place where we play games, talk, get to know each other and avoid school work.

I try to do a lot of my studying at a coffee shop. There's one near our house with free internet and one dollar coffee when you bring your own cup. It is a rare day that I go there and don't see someone I know.

that's just me though.

There is one thing I vigorously disagree with in his speech. I like the integration of nature into the city. In fact I think there should be a lot more than his little band-aid. I think one of the major dislocations of our time is our separation from the land. For most of human history, humans have worked the land and even if we don't realize it, our near total separation from the land has a major disorienting effect on our society.

too much disorganized thought. must stop now. end transmission

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From: russ
Date: Fri Feb 8 01:43:28 EST 2008 Subject: Wish I could talk to somebody else about these issues

<rant>

Frankly, I found the video offensive. He kept putting in little gems that made me want to ask for a detailed discussion, and then he would go back to "Look here at this picture. Isn't America f***ed up?" I'd love to spend several hours talking about this...with somebody else.

</rant>

That said, I am really intrigued by those ideas. What exactly are the principles of urban design? Can you discuss the use of trees in more detail? Can we discuss the counter-industrial move to suburbia?

As I have pondered these things (as I feed little Rosie) I have started to think that maybe what has happened is that America is transitioning to *inside*. Think about the houses you see going up today. They aren't like the suburban box that he showed (the one surrounded by open land). The houses being built today, in Tucson at least, consume the lot and leave almost no land on the sides. I have seen houses where there are windows on the side that look out on a brick wall 18 inches away, and backyards roughly the same size as the yard of my first apartment.

But, on the other hand, the interiors of these new houses have large, open common areas with vaulted ceilings, 2nd floor balconies, and the like. The interior of a modern house is actually quite analogous to the picture he gave of a "correct" urban street. It's just inside, and dedicated to one family instead of a public space.

It's not just houses that are doing that. Go look at the interior of Park Place. It's not perfect, by any means - I think it is a cocaphony of sights and sounds - but it is at least an attempt to recreate that public space, under a roof. Even big box stores are doing that. Go to Home Depot and look at the tool section, which is set aside from the rest of the store. Again, far from perfect, but I think that those old principles are coming back, just under a roof.

So I don't think that the primary problem is actually the public spaces. I think some of those ideas are coming back. The issue is isolation - the fact that we have moved inside our homes and we don't leave. That, in my opinion, is partly a technological one (cars mean we don't have to walk to the store anymore) but mostly a social one (we value our own comfortability more than getting to know and love other people). Architecture is (mostly) an effect of those choices, not the cause.

So to me, the pressing questions are:
* How do we build homes that invite people in?
* How do we train ourselves to make use of those homes?
* How do we create indoor public spaces that offer practicality (like a mall) but peace (like a street cafe)?
* How do we pay for all of the above?

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From: emily
Date: Fri Feb 8 18:38:04 EST 2008 Subject: what happened?

I listened to to speech a while ago but I don't remember it well. Sorry. I'm just sympathizing with the general feeling that something isn't working about the way we are living.

Living the Life of Luxury!

In first world countries like ours we can make use of so many things that make our lives easier.

Keeping house and getting food used to take a lot more physical effort. We invented a lot of conveniences. Now we have to schedule exercise, plan a trip to the gym, and be disciplined about getting uncomfortably tired in order to be happy and healthy.

Food used to be harder to get and therefore more limited. We figured out ways to make it cheaper with big farms & cows crammed in smaller spaces & stuff. Now we have to plan out calories, spend more to buy nutritious food, and be disciplined, in order to eat right so we can be happy and healthy.

It used to be harder for the average person to build a huge house and defend it. These days we all have land and the money to buy/build our own castles. Now we have to plan special features to encourage community, spend more to be different, and be disciplined in order to connect with enough humans in the world so we can be happy and healthy.

We have taken out a lot of things that used to make life hard: hard work, illness, that messy and dangerous nature stuff, etc. It seems like we should be happier than we are.

EmilyMc

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From: Karen
Date: Wed Feb 13 17:21:37 EST 2008 Subject: Well....

I can't see videos through my internet connection at work, but the responses sure are interesting ;-)

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