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From: eric
Date: Wed Aug 11 10:35:37 MST 2004 Subject: Tucson Weekly

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GaryG: Well put... (8/11/04)
keibru: "what do you think?" (8/11/04)
derek: pro-life (8/12/04)
Boojeee: compassion (8/12/04)
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Boojeee: compassion (8/12/04)
derek: pro-life (8/12/04)
keibru: "what do you think?" (8/11/04)
GaryG: Well put... (8/11/04)
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From: GaryG
Date: Wed Aug 11 15:11:55 MST 2004 Subject: Well put...

A very well-thought article on a difficult subject to deal with. I have always been a 'pro-choice" advocate, and I know the tension that this subject generates all too well. As a Christian, I think a lot of people just assume I must be "pro-life", and I can certainly understand why. As he said, who among us thinks abortion is a "good thing"? When I became a Christian I found a lot of my liberal views being called into question, especially since the church I was in is fanatically conservative. I think this is a huge part of the reason I struggle with hostility towards what is commonly called the "religous right". I think abortion is a tragic thing, and I agree with Mr Danehy that there are loathsome characters on both sides of the issue, but I find the most "loathsomeness" on the "pro-life" side (big suprise). I look at abortion as a symptom of a greater problem, the lack of Christ in people's lives, and an urgent reminder of the mission of the Church. I cannot align myself with those who picket abortion clinics and torment those who are already tormented with their own shame. I see the scene from John 8 being played out again and again, with the crowd that was all too willing to stone the "sinful" woman waving placards and fetuses in the name of "godliness"....attacking a single symptom of a greater problem is foolishness at best and downright evil at worst. Where is the compassion of Christ in these so-called "Christians"? Oh, I know-they are passionate for the unborn, which is admirable, but the scorn and derision they heap on those who are already torn and hurting is nothing but self-righteous and Pharisaical (if that's a word).
I don't believe that this is an issue to be solved in the courts. I certainly cannot disagree with Mr Danehy's remarks about a greater sense of personal responsibility, and the example he gave of the woman pregnant with triplets turned my stomach too. So what is the solution? Well, I don't think it's as simple as just outlawing abortion-this will only lead to illegal, unsafe abortions and will do little to reduce the number of abortions (and I know this is characterized as a typical "liberal myth").
As usual, Christ is the answer to the question...

I have been personally involved in at least one abortion, I found out after the fact and was not involved in the decision. It was painful to find out, and I do find myself wondering at times what would have become of that child, who would be 18 years old now....it's difficult to think about. Abortion is a tragic thing, I can attest to this personally, but I remain steadfast in my beliefs. It's not easy, but I simply cannot get on board with the Terry Dolans ("Operation Rescue" founder) of this world, I see no compassion in them.

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From: derek
Date: Wed Aug 11 20:19:01 MST 2004 Subject: pro-life

I am writing from Benji's computer, severely inconvienenced that our internet connection has been down for most of the day. Therefore, I suppose I shouldn't be too harsh on an unmarried woman who doesn't want to spend the rest of her life raising a child she never wanted. I have trouble getting up to fix a sandwich when I'm hungry. I'd rather lay in bed and starve than to expend energy to get up. I don't want to raise a child right now. I probably shouldn't raise a child. This is one of several reasons why I don't have sex right now.

I was raised in Christian culture. I have waved the banner of pro-life. I have heard all of their manipulated statistics (in every high school chapel service, well, basically ever), and I have slowly began to despise the statistics. I believe we as Christians have often manipulated ourselves away from truth, choosing instead to walk people into "proper" morality. It's like what Kate said at church with the 2+2 is 10, or 4, or something, I wasn't really paying attention. Anyway, personally, I think morality is way overrated. I'd rather go with love any day of the week (except for Monday's because I'm usually too tired then).

We, quite literally, as Christians, have drawn a line in the sand at the issue of abortion. I am scared to cross it and put myself on either side. I've read the Christian books saying that the abortion issue will make or break our country, or at least its overall acceptance by the Christian God. If we lose the war, our nation kaput will go. Therefore, we fight a war against those who support abortions. They are evil. They seek to tear down this great godly country we have built. They also smell funny.
I forgot what my point was.

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From: Boojeee
Date: Thu Aug 12 14:48:47 MST 2004 Subject: compassion

I had a friend in college that sometimes picketed abortion clinics and regularly volunteered with the rape crisis center. I could really respect her commitment to the unborn and the tragic lives of women who have lost control over the access to their bodies. I have chosen to care for the unborn by caring for women who, like myself, have been sexually abused. This group of women often have learned to not limit access to their bodies and often accept in shame various kinds of abuses and rape. The impact of a picketer shouting hateful things at one of these women as they go to abort one of these children is dramatic and leads to greater shame and bondage. One friend who had both been abused and had in her teens aborted a child came to church on “Anti-abortion Sunday” where the church was highlighting their activities to fight abortion. The message she received? “No grace for you!” I believe abortion is a sin. I have seen the deep, bleeding wounds that it creates in the women who choose this path. I have seen the wounds even in women who don’t really see it as a sin. But our Lord Jesus Christ is merciful, gentle and full of grace. So should we be. Andrea works in an agency that offers alternate options and counseling to support women in the choice to parent or give the child up in adoption. Cheryl provides families with resources to learn how to parent children they have and rescues children out of homes where the parent should have never had the kids (and by that I do NOT mean they should have aborted). Praise God for Christians in these kinds of positions. Whatever path you take to move against abortion, remember that the women are human beings often moving from shame to greater shame. Don’t forget our call to love with Christ’s love.

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