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From: andrea
Date: Thu Oct 26 21:58:04 MST 2006 Subject: our prayer journey currently

Responses
adriennelynne: No Subject (10/28/06)
andrea: blessings of infertility?! (11/9/06)
emergentpadre: A related testimony (11/11/06)
emergentpadre: I may be repeating myself (11/12/06)
andrea: hadn't heard it before...thank you for sharing (11/12/06)
adriennelynne: I love Jesus (11/12/06)
andrea: we have the final medical answer! (11/19/06)
adriennelynne: excited (11/19/06)
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adriennelynne: excited (11/19/06)
andrea: we have the final medical answer! (11/19/06)
adriennelynne: I love Jesus (11/12/06)
andrea: hadn't heard it before...thank you for sharing (11/12/06)
emergentpadre: I may be repeating myself (11/12/06)
emergentpadre: A related testimony (11/11/06)
andrea: blessings of infertility?! (11/9/06)
adriennelynne: No Subject (10/28/06)
I thought I would write and share what is going on in our home currently spiritually. We would appreciate prayers while we are praying through some stuff.

Over the weekend, after spending time with friends who don't currently have children, we discussed that there are some options on the child front that we have never really prayed through. Yes, we prayed about whether it was time to attempt to conceive and felt ok'd by God (and by our community) to go forward with that in March 2005, but after that, we haven't prayed on whether to continue on expanding our family through biological and adoption means. We prayed on whether to seek treament and felt we received an answer. We prayed about adoption and haven't felt it is time yet to pursue that as our outcome. Now, we are kind of taking a step back to look at the bigger picture to see if we are meant to remain childless. We are looking at all the options that we can think of and bringing them before God. So far, the options we have identified are: remaining completely childless and not really providing care for children but dedicating our time elsewhere, remaining childless but making ourselves available when family/friends need childcare for their kids, remaining childless and providing respite only (very short term breaks for foster parents), fostering without pursuing adoption but if adoption were to fall into our laps with the children we foster then that is ok, pursuing a foster/adoption situation through the state with kids available for adoption, pursuing adoption through my agency where it would be 'for sure'(as fost/adopt still has risks of adoption not happening). Of course, there is still the glimmer (tears get stuck in the throat here) of hope of pregnancy, but thus far, it hasn't happened.

It is really scary to conciously offer all of these possibilities to God as things we are 'willing' to do as he shows us the path that is best and good. It feels like I am willingly offerring for him to break my heart. He woke up these desires for children more than 20 months ago and now I am offerring to live in them and through the pain of the unanswered desires of children, forever. Will he provide me/us the stregnth to accept his guiding once he provides it?

I have been sitting in the reality that yes, if we were to have a child(ren), it would speak to that desire to raise a child, but there is so much else that is mixed up with that desire. There is a feeling of lonliness that is part of life here on this earth seperated from God that won't go away no matter whether my circumstances are changed 180 degrees. There is the fact that I would like to have a different realationship with God than this distant one we have currently and having the desire for children won't change that.

There are a lot of good things that could come with the freedom of not having children...more concentrated effort for our marriage, time for friends and family who we could love on in a more concentrate way, time to travel and not having the burdens from the dependency of a little one. Ryan asked me if I could imagine not having children. No, not with the person I am currently. When he asked me that, I imagined the Andrea from her early 20s when I was happily (ok, more like angrily boiling inside but didn't recognize it) working crisis oriented jobs, keeping as busy as I could so not to feel the lonliness and emptiness of life, and not being able to rest. I can't picture the person I am now who is more restful, and less busy in trying to occupy myself, not having children and not sharing in their joys and sorrows. I have a friend who she and her husband many years ago decided to remain childless. She is the best role model in living this that I know. She shows a softness and sweetness to all who are grieving. She loves on birthmothers. She is mother-type to all she shares herself with in her work. But she choses not to go to church on Mother's Day or to baby showers as they emotionally tear her up these 20+ years later.

At the same time we are praying about children, we are praying about Ryan's career future. It ties in to family also because of the need to support a family. Not having children would give more freedom in this realm too, especially if adoption funds were not needed up front.

Oh...I am late. I will probably add to this sometimes. Thanks for listening/reading.

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From: adriennelynne
Date: Fri Oct 27 19:42:14 MST 2006 Subject:

Thanks for sharing your heart. I know God is pleased when we offer up our desires in willingness to accept His plan. Thankfully, His plan is much more satisfying than our desires. :) I am excited to see His plan work in your life.

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From: andrea
Date: Thu Nov 9 14:50:09 MST 2006 Subject: blessings of infertility?!

I have been journeying through a Bible study on Hananah lately and journaled today about the blessings of where we are. Without this 20 months of infertility, we wouldn't have had the chance to fall in love with this precious girl. WOW! I still don't like to say I am 'grateful' for this experience of pain, but that is a big blessing. Even if we only get to enjoy her for 1 more day or a few more months, she is a blessing and the desire to love her and watch her grow up is something that I couldn't have fully imagined without expierencing it. Only by a miracle could M actually stay with us forever; we aren't expecting this to occur.

On the pregnancy side of things, we have decided to go ahead and go through one more dye test to see if my tubes are opened or not. This is scheduled for 11/17/06 at 2pm. We will have more answers, I think, after this. We'll keep ya updated.

We are still praying about all of our options with children.

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From: emergentpadre
Date: Sat Nov 11 08:04:18 MST 2006 Subject: A related testimony

My heart goes out to you as you struggle with these issues. This is especially true, since Lindi and I went through a similar experience for 5 years when we first got married.

We desperately wanted children, and were unable to have any. The doctors told us that if Lindi had heavy surgery, our chances would increase from zero to single digits. Since she has a history of great difficulty recovering from surgery, and the expected benefit was so small, we elected not to have the surgery.

We the pursued becoming foster parents, and adoption. We had many heartaches as we discovered traditional adoption was very costly compared to our income at the time, and were shocked to find out that a major cause of this was that so few "normal" infants were available for adoption, due to the large number of abortions. We wept as we thought of all of these babies having their existence terminated while still in the womb, while we had such a desire to hold and love on one of them. We explored foreign adoption, and connected with someone in Mexico. After sending them money and almost a years worth of correspondence, I traveled to Mexico City to find out what the hold up was. I discovered that a women who worked at the adoption agency and had been in communication with us had stolen our money and disappeared.

We then pursued the foster program and state adoption program. We went through all of the training and warnings about the issues these "difficult to place" children would have. Lindi and I agonized over what direction to take. She was afraid of not being able to handle the severe emotional problems of the emotionally injured children, and I was afraid of the physical care required for a handicapped or severely ill child. As we prayed and discussed the options, we despaired of ever reaching a viable solution. Like you, we wondered if God was even in our quest, and we struggled with the same issues of our own motivation. As you said, were we doing this to give, or out of loneliness that we should be going to God directly to cure?

We continued for a while, stuck in the rut of indecision, and crying out to God to give us either peace or direction.

Then, after four years of this struggle, we were in a church service where the pastor was preaching on God’s promises of fruitfulness and fertility. Right there, in the “temple”, as she was crying out to Him, God spoke to Lindi clearly, saying, “A year from now, you will have a child.” Not 9 months, but a year! She told me about this, and we wondered about such a remarkable utterance.

One year later exactly, to the day and hour of the day, our son Samuel was born. Samuel? Yes, we named him after Hannah’s child, since she had received him while crying out to God in the temple about her infertility.

Now, God does not deal with all persons in the same way. I have no way of knowing what path He has laid out for you with respect to your deep desire for children. I agree you need to turn it over to Him, and be prepared for anything He has to say on the matter, including being childless.

But the desire for children to love and hold and pour your lives into is universal, and comes from God. And God says this: Nothing is impossible for Him. He can open the womb of the barren, He can create life out of nothingness, and He can take the godly portion of your desires and bless them while He works on the part of your motivation, like we had, that was tainted by the Fall.

There is one thing I believe with conviction.

God is gracious and good and powerful and intensely interested in your personal situation right now. Jesus did not come into the world to condemn, but to save us. As you turn your lives and hearts and decisions over to Him, do not feel guilty about the pain and yearning. He WILL intervene and bless you in a way that only He can do. Whatever that way is, you can be sure it will be worthy of thanksgiving and praise.

Larry and Lindi.

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From: emergentpadre
Date: Sun Nov 12 08:38:02 MST 2006 Subject: I may be repeating myself

After posting this, it occurred to me that I have may shared this same story before. If so, I apologize. Just chalk it up to old timer's disease.

:-)

Larry

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From: andrea
Date: Sun Nov 12 09:46:29 MST 2006 Subject: hadn't heard it before...thank you for sharing

We haven't heard your story before. Thanks for sharing your infertility story and journey. We will keep everyone updated on ours; thanks for the prayers and love from all of you.

From talking to a good friend who is knowledgeable about CPS inside workings (we all know who I am talking about ;), we believe that the time frame for baby M to move on is somewhere between a month and two months. It is so strange to think of this home and our family being without her. It will be very quiet here without her giggling, playing, and even crying/screaming. We will miss her greatly. But we do try to keep the eternal picture in focus...some day we will see her again and she will recognize us as a moma and dada in her life. It feels like we are preparing for her death though we must keep living and continue giving her all of our hearts. She needs that and we need to give her that while we can.

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From: adriennelynne
Date: Sun Nov 12 16:59:07 MST 2006 Subject: I love Jesus

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From: andrea
Date: Sat Nov 18 17:31:43 MST 2006 Subject: we have the final medical answer!

Well...yesterday was the dye test and the news is official. Nothing has changed medically over the last 6 months. My tube is still not opened. We have gone as far on the route of trying to fix that as we feel comforable and we are stopping.

Ryan planned a getaway for just the 2 of us (M was in the capable arms of David and Adrienne) to Patagonia. It was very thoughtful and nice. We had time to reflect on the blessings of not being able to get pregnant ever, without a miracle from God of course. These blessings include: never hearing the darn alarm on my cell phone again reminding me to take prenatal vitamins, never taking prenatals again, never taking my temp 1st thiing in the morning or charting of various other signals of ovulation from my body, never having to use any kind of birth control, being able to jog again if I want (I haven't decided if I want to by the way to any willing partners out there), and the biggest, just having a sense of closure.

God has been serenading me lately. I don't know if anyone else has this experience, but he has a song for me that he likes to play when I am journaling and crying or talking to him intensely through a Bible study, etc. It is the "hero" song by Enrique Iglesias. There are a few lines that really hit me as I listen to it. The first two lines are "If I asked you to dance, would you dance? Would you run and not look back". Well, we are running and not looking back. We are heading on to what God declares good, his plan for us.

We called the adoption agency yesterday for two reasons; 1)how do we go forward with being certified to adopt so we are ready once M moves on and 2) to submit ourselves as a possible family for a little boy to be born in April. If we get picked by the birthmother, we'll give you more details.

Thank you all for your support on this journey these last 20 months. We see a lot of fruit from the journey, though not the ones we expected. We see eternal changes that have occurred, attitude changes, and it is good.

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From: adriennelynne
Date: Sun Nov 19 06:39:48 MST 2006 Subject: excited

David and I support you 100%. We think you have made a very healthy and faithful decision. I love that you are so dedicated to know God's plan for you and follow that path, even though it's not your first choice. It sounds like you feel free. :) I am excited to walk with you through this time and pray for the family that will offer you their baby. I look forward to next Thanksgiving to see where God has brought us during this next year.
Thanks for sharing your heart.
Oh- and I would love to be a jogging buddy! We have a jogging stroller now and she loves it! We could do Rillito River path and/or Reid Park. Anyone else???

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